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(Michi wa Chigaedo)
“Differing Paths”
This episode surprised me in the most unexpected ways.
General Impressions
After last week’s bomb episode, I suppose it wasn’t any surprise that the story is finally taking some time to recuperate as it starts to move the story forward. With a majority of the episode revolving around lengthy dialogues between members various members of each faction, I wouldn’t fault you if you said you got a little tired of listening to so much talking. Luckily, I think there were a few stand out moments that helped keep things lively as we waddled our way through the exposition.
The first and probably least important of which was watching Gordes finally show some empathy as a human being. Ever since his introduction, it’s been clear that he’s a bit of a slimeball who highly values prestige. As a Master, he was shown as hotheaded and rash as he not only wasted Command Seals but indirectly lead his Servant toward the path where he sacrificed himself for another. Overall, not the kind of person you’d want around you in general, much less in a all out war with mages battling each other with the aid of Heroic Spirits that have transcended time and space. However, I really appreciated the scene of him toward the end as he got to work healing the Homunculi he “despised”. Besides being a huge shift in character, I loved how such a simple scene managed to humanize Gordes to the point that I was hoping he’d have an opportunity to make up for his past actions. Rag on this show as much as you want, but never did I expect to find myself rooting for a character like Gordes.
Switching gears to a slightly more competent Yggdmillennia member, let’s talk for a little about Caules. As the second in command since Uncle Gordes seems to be a bit busy as he traverses the path of finding himself, it surprises me just how important Caules has become. Supporting Fiore from behind, I appreciate how Caules is become the character who’ll most likely be the one who ends up saving Fiore from her naivety. That said, I think I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for Caules due to the way he treated Frankenstein (I know it’s technically Frankenstein’s Monster, but I’m lazy), but it would be nice to see a lighthearted character like his to grow into a tougher person that serves as someone else’s foundation to cling to.
Last but not least, how can I not talk a little about Shishigou and Mordred. As the cutest Master-Servant combo when it comes to their antics, I’ll never give up an opportunity to see them get along with each other. That said, I would have appreciated a slightly longer explanation behind what fuels Shishigou’s desires and why he’s fighting in this Greater Holy Grail War. Luckily, I think it still had just the right amount of impact to make it clear that he’s more than just a simple mercenary.
Jeez, I’m surprised I managed to write so much about an episode that really didn’t do all that much. Before it gets even longer, let’s close things out here. As always, I’ll catch you guys back here next week where we’ll hopefully get to see just what Shirou has planned to “save” mankind. See you then!
P.S. I almost forgot to talk about Sieg — I wonder what actually happens if he uses up all of his Command Seals. Maybe he implodes and permanently becomes Siegfried?
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2033.jpgWould seig wish from the holy grail to turn astolfo into “real” girl?
why not? if its cute just fuck it.
Yes but he’d keep the dick to create the real ubermensch.
And put away the thing that make Astolfo attractive in the first place? Hell no, just make him able to be pregnant, but retains the dick. Pregnant traps ana Penile/Anal birth, thats the way.And put away the thing that make Astolfo attractive in the first place? Hell no, just make him able to be pregnant, but retains the dick. Pregnant traps ana Penile/Anal birth, thats the way.
its time to stop.
– not liking the ultimate expression of femininity.- while retaining the instrument of manliness.- but still serving the purpose of procreational loveWhat else could you possibly want?
Giving birth?
Exactly! Imagine all of those hot gay sex actually bears fruit of your love!
pregnant traps are no longer traps.at that point they’re just women with penises.
Each day we stray further from Gods light.
There has never been a God in the first place, only human-made lies to comfort the stupid masses in this unholy, despairful universe.
EX rank fedora
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2035.jpgSieg doesn’t care theres knowing wrong with astolfo being a cute boy.
Why Sieg sad?
I think that this is an acceptable outcome, but only if I altered reality so that this was always the case.
“I wish Astolfo was a girl!””What an idiotic wish! I’m already a girl!””You’re right…why did I wish that?”
I like to think that I would be happy regardless.
I forget sometimes that the Grail can be used for great evil.
He would just have Astolfo gain tits but still have a dick and balls. Imagine newhalf Astolofo.
That would be the best use of a wish ever.
You can turn her into a real girl by cumming inside her enough times so her female hormones kick in.
Not the best option. They are both cute boys. They must stay like that.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2039.jpgBest girl coming through
But Astolfo is a boy.
Why’s everything about Astolfo so sexy? Even her griffon is sexy.
Not gonna lie. I laughed with that scene.
That is the look of a creature that knows its master is going to get it killed prematurely.
Her Griffon is lamenting because of near death experience in the hands of Semiramis
Honestly, this part was hilarious. Even the Griff knew that they were likely fucked
i want out they’re doing it like its natural.
She has a cute feminine dick so of course she’s a girl.
Astolfo really is genuinely better as a girl.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2033.jpgWhy didn’t they just have them as the main couple? They have better chemistry and Astolfo has more personal investment in Seig than Jeanne.
The greatest love story ever told.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2004.jpgOfficial relationship chart for Fate/Apocryphahttps://i.imgur.com/5iZ3mX8.jpgFate/Apocrypha on the cover of Comptiq November 2017 Issue!https://i.imgur.com/cFcIqDO.jpg
Translation for the Official relationship chart.Sieg Astolfo Trust and mutual dependence.Sieg Astolfo Willing to help him out whenever he needs & Romantic love Sieg Jeanne Love?Sieg Jeanne Pledge to protect & Romantic love .Sieg Siegfried Sacrifices itself to save the boy.Sieg Shirou Enemies.Sieg Celenike Jealousy, envy and hatred.Sieg Avicebron Wanting to use him as his Golem’s ‘core’.Astolfo Celenike Please pardon me.Astolfo Celenike Obsessivecompulsive disorder.Jeanne Red and black faction Supervisor.
If I call myself girl when I am a boy does that magically make me a girl like in fate?
Only sometimes.
APEX subs where?
APEX hasnt subbed in a while I believe. Either that or theyve just been so late every time that I just dont notice them anymore.
Nah, only [UTW]
he was specifically asking for the APEX subs though, so I guess he doesn’t want UTW.
Or just go in raw
Nosferatu21 He subbed Ep14 but he was only 10 minutes faster than UTW this time. Maybe he decided to skip this episode, because UTW did it somewhat fast as well.@RGaspar No thanks, Apex subs are better.
”[UTW]” Are we really stuck with these intentionally bad subs?
They get worse every week and there’s no way this isn’t on purpose.
They knew what a Noble Phantasm was in episode 2 when Fran tested hers.Just wait, eventually they’re going to get to a point where they’re not even getting the characters’ names right anymore.
[UTW] have been shit for years bro.
They’ve gotten way worse.At least they used to be people who liked Fate, now they’re a bunch of chinks and redditors who don’t know or care about the franchise and are only doing it because of popular demand.
Symphogear, only thing I got is commie.Fate/Apocrypha, only thing I got is UTW since APEX doesn’t have all of them.
Unlikely. But you’re not really losing anything skipping Symphogear as of late.
It’s really a shame that they keep shoving the memes and unnecessary localizations in there because they actually seem to put some decent effort into it otherwise.
They’re more concerned with making the show “theirs” than they are with doing it right. It’s the biggest problem with fansubbing right now, and Commie’s the worst about it.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2016.jpgJeanne gave Sieg two command spells but Mordred only one.She’s not interfering as much for one side as Jesus likes to claim but she is still clearly biased in favor of Sieg.
Are you a redditor or a malfag? M8, by this point it’s not “Red VS Black”, it’s “Amakusa VS Siege”. Jeanne cares about Sieg because he’s an asset in the war, Sieg is the Counter Force agent which is being empowered by Counter Force (in live) in order to stop Amakusa and kill him, and she also knows very well that she is unable to kill a heroic spirit or a human being because of its holy nature, and making sure he can transform into Siegfried more times without turning into a dragon is a pretty good idea instead of randomly just withholding two Command Spells that are utterly useless for anything else since Siegfried is dead.Too many people get caught up in the idea of it still being Red V Black when they outright say the Grail War has broken down and Amakusa is the thing Sieg was meant to stop as a Counter Force agent (Counter Guardian).
@Konopan When you post something of previous posts, please use the blockquote tag.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2026.jpghttp://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2028.jpgThese two are probably the best pair in terms of compatibility. King Arthur would never agree with the same methods that Mordred’s Master would use. http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2024.jpgSad we can’t see the name on the grave. I am not shocked since authors wouldn’t bother naming a character that was killed off so easily. On the side note, Gordes was the first person I expected to be killed. The fact that he shows redeeming qualities does shock me.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2033.jpga cute traphttp://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2019.jpga blonde moeblob saint http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2004.jpgDoes Sieg have a better Harem than Shirou Emiya and Shiki Toono?
Of course he does.
I hate Tsunderes. So, Yes.
Has a better one than Shirou, Shiki and Hakuno, but Sieg’s pales to Ritsuka’s.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2039.jpgWhy is Astolfo so perfect?
Has the series ever proven she isn’t already a boy?
He doesn’t have boobs when tortured
Maybe he’s just a very flat girl?
perhaps
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2002.jpgWhy do nip artists rarely draw chicks with good proportions? They’ll give them big boobs but give them the hips and butt of a 2×4.
They skipped leg day.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2036.jpgBest MILF
One hell of a cunt and reaction face here.
Cute bitchy homunculus already said it. He’s decent, just a lousy grail war master.
He is a bad texter.Why didn’t he believe in Siegfried’s wish?He told Gordes that I had a wish, but Gordes didn’t talk. And Gordes was useless in battle.He’s funny but bad human.
wtf he is literally Donald Trump with a hitler stache.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2002.jpgjesus christ, none of the red servants’ wishes really stood out or seemed interesting, which is a shame. Going through all this trouble just for a rather basic wish. why is the red servants so stupid?
Outside of Achilles, who is retarded, and Karna, who is as efficient as an American car and can never accomplish anything, the Red team doesn’t have anyone of note either.
I never got to like Achilles. Ironically, his rivality with Chiron makes Chiron more interesting than him.
Achilles isn’t really likable to begin with. It’s not Fate’s fault.He’s basically what would happen if you gave a kid super powers and left them to their own devices for 20 years without adult supervision.
I haven’t read the Illyad, honestly. Never have been attracted to it. What you say has sense, though.
Yeahhh — I kind of wish the Red Faction servants had a bit more development.
Achilles is fucking retarded.Atalanta is dumb.Why do Greek heroes suck so bad nowadays?
Because if they want proper representation they have to first pay off their debts.
Most Greek heroes just like the Gods lack any sense of fucking logic in their epics.
Hercules and Xena are the only ones who save themselves.
Lets see[b]Shirou:[/b] Wants to save mankind.[b]Semiramis:[/b] Wants to witness Shirous wish.[b]Atalanta:[/b] Wants all children to be loved.[b]Achilles:[/b] Wants to live as a hero.[b]Shakespeare:[/b] To write a tragic end to this Grail War.[b]Karna:[/b] Doesnt really have one just as long as his Master is safe.[b]Sisigou:[/b] Wants to save his family.[b]Mordred:[/b] Wants to pull the sword from the stone and prove to her father that she is worthy to be king.Literally, yes, his wishes are generic, chich and stereotypical just as his character stereotypes.
What did you expect?Shirou is a generic chunni lunatic villain screaming ”I want to save mankind”. Semiramis is a waifu pandering character with big boobs, screaming ”I want chunni lunatic villain’s dick”, she just does what she does because she wants lunatic villain’s dick.Shakespeare is a annoying comic relief character.]Mordred is one of those typical edge/genki/yanki/delinquent/sukeban girls with a one track mind and no internal monologuesthat are found in practically every shounen series or ecchi battle harem series, whether as a supporting character into shounen series or as a waifu pandering character into ecchi battle harem series.Kairi is a generic stereotypical shounen character with a one track mind, stereotype: shounen big dumb guy.Atalanta is a waifu pandering character with cat ears.Achilles is a fucking retarded bishounen for fujo pandering.
At least they always fail.
Kiritsugu had the same wish to save the world, didnt he?
Kiritsugu didn’t understand what his wish entailed until Angra Mainyu laid it out for him, and then he flatly rejected the idea and considered it abhorrent.
Yeah, the corrupted Grail was basically like the old Djinn / genie tales where they were demons who, while granting three wishes, usually do so in a way that’s the least beneficial to the wish maker either by taking their words literally and/or fulfilling the wish in a roundabout way while still technically granting it.Like in the Wishmaster horror films (fun to watch, IMO), whenever a character who is gravely injured wishes (or someone else wishes) for their suffering to end, the Djinn antagonist simply kills the person since that still technically “ends their suffering”, just not in the way the wish maker wanted him to. (“Hey! I ended her suffering! Maybe you should have been a little more specific!”)So if Kiritsugu were to simply wish to “save the world”…well…doesn’t exactly say how and such, does it? lol
because his way of saving mankind is to erase mankind.
Saint Francis of Assisi: ”Salvation is for all living things not just human beings”.
The perversion of wishes made a wish unappealing.
So Shirou is lying his ass off to Atalanta when he says her wish doesn’t contradict his own.
– all children happy = no children unhappy- no children -> no children unhappyLogically it doesn’t.
Hey Mordred, what are you? A man? A woman? Or neither? Disgusting! Neither you nor the society that created you can be allowed to exist. A single wartime loss created so much scum like you.
After seeing this episode, I really hope all the remaining Yggdmillenia (ex-)masters survive. Even that guy. I was waiting for his doom throughout the series too. There’s a bit of inevitability for the servants, but for masters it could go anywhere. Funny how a couple of episodes actually shifted my opinion of the guy. Still not entirely positive though. XDEven though there was hardly any action, I found this episode to be quite intriguing.
I feel the same.
Yggdmillennia are less a single family and more an entire group of magi in their own organisation, so they have multiple crests that different members have. Somebody like Darnic will only have his own crest and will pass it on, but because they draw in many smaller families, they have more crests than just one.The Edelfelts are referred to as doing the same in the El-Melloi Case Files, stealing bits of crests wherever they can and adding them to their own crest (it doesn’t even matter if they can’t use the magic, which they usually can’t this way, they just take it and stick it in the crest for posterity so they can have it). For this, they are referred to as the “hyenas” of the magical world, and are also looked at with disdain by some families.Which makes the fact that Rin’s grandfather fucked an Edelfelt and cocked up their two-heirs-two-crests power (by the Edelfelt he fucked becoming a Tohsaka and taking the crest with him) hilariously fucking funny.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2035.jpgRuler Shirou just ruined Darnic’s grail war. That’s why Sieg has to teach him a lesson.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2004.jpghttp://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2018.jpgYep, Mordred wants in and is definitely jelly, but BEST GIRL doesn’t want to share more than she already has to with Jeanne, lol.http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2019.jpgWell, Sieg? Do you want another girl?All Sieg needs to do is get Fiore, and turn Atalanta and Semiramis, and everything will be complete! XD
Wow, I think this is the largest number of green-lit comments I’ve ever seen here so far. XD
As it was expected, 139 Comments, the vast majority of them are cool and funny, and some are very creative.
I love how Shishigo and Fiore can nonchalantly shake hands and get along for their alliance.Shishigo: So uh, remember how I almost killed you by running you over with a car? No hard feelings right?
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2012.jpgFiore is a magical freak of nature, Caules was an attempt to have it happen again that failed. All the magecraft he knows is a self-taught gutter tier attempt at being useful to his sister.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2009.jpgThe implied answer is she can’t because she is a woman.
No, it’s because she’s actually nice. You need to be ruthless in some situations and he does not this she can.
She can actually be ruthless. But Chiron is concerned if she’ll break afterwards.
The real answer is because she’s soft as fuck. She can’t make the hard decisions because she’s way too kind for that.
because she is a woman.
I thought the implied answer was “why are we even having this conversation? There’s barely anything left to lead, it would be like being president of the anime club.”
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2019.jpgWhat did they mean by this?
thick dragon dick and so on
Yeah, after 15 eps. that joke is kinda losing steam.Or wait, it’s already dead.
I have a question but all replies need to be in spoiler tagsSo, when everyone is talking about all this thicc dragon dick, is it because Sieg embodies Siegfried? Or is it because Siegfried slayed Fafnir and uses Fafnir as his power? Or is it just because dragons are involved and I’m just missing the nuanced lulz?
”Strong and thick dragon dick” is a cannon meme used in Japon for Jeanne.This is the version translated. https://imgur.com/a/q64aWbecause: She tells God to fuck off and then she leaves the throne of heroes to live with Siege in not-Avalon. She can never more be summoned in the Apo timeline. https://imgur.com/a/eguIP Sieg Sieg embodies the dragon Fafnir.As also mentioned above, the dragon Fafnir is lending power to Sieg in return for your body. After using his last command seal, power Sieg obtained from Frankensteins Blasted Tree: Lightning Branch of Crucifixion managed to barely maintain his human form for a short time. Afterwards he transforms into the dragon Fafnir and he used this to carry the Greater Grail to the Reverse side of the world where phantasmal beasts go where no human can venture so the wish for humanity does not occur as phantasmal beasts are invalid targets. As a result of the transformation he lost his physical form and his final state is that of his soul, and like Sieg isn’t a real heroic spirit, he can’t go to the throne of heroes, then their soul gets stuck into the dragon body for eternity. https://imgur.com/a/eguIP
Oh. I see.In the grand scheme of things, kind of makes sense.
– Jeanne has a total of 28 Command Seals.2 Command Seals for each of the 14 Servants. https://i.imgur.com/6k2aDPA.jpg- Jeanne used a command seal into Mordred to summon her for the battle at episode 14.- Mordred wanted to receive 2 command seals, but Jeanne had already used a a command seal into Mordred to summon her for the battle at episode 14.https://i.imgur.com/6k2aDPA.jpgwhy us Mordred so fucking stupid?
In addition to the TONS of plot armor, plot convenience, random asspull powerups, and plot holes in the episodes 6 and 10, in episode 13 She just ignores the asfalto, and then you tell me she somehow flies the car over to the floating gardens like it’s harry potter just in time to get Jeanne out of trouble as shit? And while doing so turns on her whole alliance as well as the one she was supposed to be fighting on the drop of a hat.
Mordred doesn’t know how to count to ten
From what I’ve read, Jeanne doesn’t actually use a Command Seal to summon Mordred, but simply her authority as the Ruler class Servant.
@amHalfDemonInuyashaYou must stop using the [UTW] subtitles, because [UTW] subtitles are arefull of numerous grave mistakes. You must use APEX subtitles because APEX subtitles are better and much more faithfuls to original source as possible.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2009.jpgWhy Chiron was so angry that even his face warped?
Caster’s NP turns all characters into so QUALITY everyone drops the show.That’s why it was so dangerous.
Jew did the one thing you don’t do in Chiron’s vicinity.Betray your student.
Wait, isn’t he an arab?
Spanish Jew
Weren’t spaniards of his age black?
Spanish Moors weren’t black but more arab looking.
And that’s only the spainiards themselves, he was a jew so entirely unlikely to be interbred with them.
[b][Eng Sub] Fate/Apocrypha Episode 16 Preview[/b] http://fate-apocrypha.com/story/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSpqklUzvBI%5Bb%5D16. Jack the Ripper[/b]The time to infiltrate into the Aerial Garden is approaching. But Sieg collapses with a sudden pain in the situation.Sieg fighting as having Siegfried possessed his body, Chiron tells him the price for the miracle.A report does not let him heal the damage. The hidden Jack the Ripper started moving and horrific acts of assaulting mages again.Fiore takes the matter seriously and suggests Jeanne d’Arc, the Ruler, to put her down.
Fate is interesting because of the mages and the HGW, the magic families and how outsiders interact with it all. This is why HF is so good, it’s the story where Servants fit their role as tools the most. But the Servants themselves are also really interesting when done right, it’s just that they were run to the ground with generic ones, making stories for the Heroes instead of Heroes for the stories.F/GO took the world in a very retarded direction, I really dislike it and wish it went back to the magic. They have more Servants than they know what to do with, and the stories they appear in are more often than not subpar. People play them for the characters and memes. Even in the “good” parts of FGO, some characters feel like they were hamfisted because they hadn’t appeared in previous orders or because they’re new. But of course, they won’t stop the milking machine, and they’ll just keep pumping out those shitty characters instead of letting Nasu write a full proper story from beggining to end.
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2037.jpgWhy are all the homunculi top cutes?
Hairclip Homunculus is gonna take the reigns of Sieg’s family after the war
Do they get a fix for their lifespan? 3 years does not sound that much. Can man a transfer help?
Will he end up with the hairclip Homunculus? How many children will they have?
three children and three grandchildren
@orochimaruSanin
Virtually all of the UC-Gundam villains from the Gundam franchise, and the villain from the 18if anime.(https://i.imgur.com/ksWuCTN.jpg)
http://images.randomc.net/Fate%20Apocrypha/Fate%20Apocrypha%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2039.jpgbest girl